Posts by BlackSwan of Memphis

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

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http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Look, it's pretty basic, if he relies on anyone other than himself for his own guidance, he is in a cult.

If he relies on anyone other than himself.......for his own guidance....he is in a cult.......

are you serious?

It is a fact: He's in a cult, and that's that. All religions are cults.

Ok. Well you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Right? Right. Glad we have that settled.

Emo, thanks. I've been thinking about you since the other day. Wondering how you are doing.

The set-up looks pretty much like the Anglican church - there are what I call 'ultra-catholic' (bells and smells!) congregations through to very liberal ones.

That is what I was thinking.

There doesn't appear at first glance to be much of the rigid dogmatism of the Roman Catholic church, most likely because their key 'fallout' is their refusal to accept Papal infallibility.

Exactly.

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what makes a cult a cult?

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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inspired by recent events here on jwd.

what makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?.

from a google search:.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Inspired by recent events here on jwd

What makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?

From a google search:

Definitions of cult on the Web:
adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
a system of religious beliefs and rituals; "devoted to the cultus of the Blessed Virgin"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

In religion and sociology, a cult is a group of people (often a new religious movement) devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
In traditional usage, the cult of a religion, quite apart from its sacred writings ("scriptures"), its theology or myths, or the personal faith of its believers, is the totality of external religious practice and observance, the neglect of which is the definition of impiety. Cult is literally the "care" owed to the god and the shrine. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_(religion)
A religious group that follows a particular theological system. In the context of Christianity, and in particular, CARM, it is a group that uses the Bible but distorts the doctrines that affect salvation sufficiently to cause salvation to be unattainable. A few examples of cults are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Unity, Religious Science, The Way International, and the Moonies. (See also Cults)
www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_c-d.htm
(cult) (kult) a system of treating disease based on some special and unscientific theory of disease causation.
www.merckmedicus.com/pp/us/hcp/thcp_dorlands_content.jsp
Veneration ( or honoring ) of a saint expressed in public acts, local or universal, and formally approved by the Pope.
www.ichrusa.com/saintsalive/glossary.htm
A religious group which denies the essential doctrines of Christianity. The term is usually reserved for groups founded after 1750.
www.dtl.org/trinity/misc/glossary.htm
A following of people.
www.britishcouncil.org/ukinfocus-music-glossary.htm
(noun) often attributive [French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL]; First appeared 1617 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health ~s> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object ...
www.contecult.com/glossary.htm

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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friends

http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Hey Matt and F2T, ok the thing is this....

For the sake of argument, let's say you are right (which is a whole other thread in itself perhaps) even then it still makes sense to know who you're dealing with. And if people are talking to him (or anyone else for that matter) it just makes sense to Know what the guy actually believes and teaches.

As for whether or not this religion is a cult, I know that Nvr started an interesting thread a few days ago that would probably shed some light for me on the matter of religion period. At this point where I'm at, I'm not prepared to say he's stuck in another cult. That doesn't mean I think I'm right and you're wrong, only that I don't have enough information to say you are right.

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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friends

http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Now that's a good catch Moshe:

cath·o·lic (kath'?-lik, kath'lik) pronunciation
adj.

Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: “The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found” (Scientific American).
Including or concerning all humankind; universal: “what was of catholic rather than national interest” (J.A. Froude).
Catholic
Of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.
Of or relating to the universal Christian church.
Of or relating to the ancient undivided Christian church.
Of or relating to those churches that have claimed to be representatives of the ancient undivided church.

n. Catholic

A member of a Catholic church, especially a Roman Catholic.

[Middle English catholik , universally accepted, from Old French catholique , from Latin catholicus , universal, from Greek katholikos , from katholou , in general : kat-, kata- , down, along, according to; see cata– + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole).]

catholically ca·thol'i·cal·ly (k?-thol'ik-le) adv.

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

jw
friends

http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Sparkplug, I think sometimes certain things just get a little lost in a thread.. And I think others caught on before me (nvr is one), I just made a thread out of it

Edited to add: The thing that caught my attention was their stand on sexuality and birth control are completely different than the Roman Church.

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X--JW WarFare..."OUTLAW Style"

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good evening from "the great white north",jwd!

!..this is an incredible board..we are all so lucky to have our hosts,mods and (most)members of this site..lol!

!.....so many ideas.so many personalities.so much exchange of knowledge and ideas.right here on jwd!.....this thread was inspired by another thread..thank-you "hidden window"!.....i hope this thread inspires other "ideas",just like i was inspired by another thread......................many of us want to show our loved ones and the rest of the world,the "real wbt$".....we want to get our loved ones out of a "cult"..and..the international political world will bring the wbt$ down,when they can no longer disguise themselves as a religion.....the wbt$ is a political organization,disguised as a religious organization seeking "world domination"!.....most of us are not ready to take on a billion dollar organization,the wbt$.....we only want our families back!.....not all jw`s are ready to read ray franz`s:"crisis of conscience"..or..barbera andersons new cd:"secrets of pedophilia in an american religion.jehovah`s witness`s in crisis"..but..some are!

BlackSwan of Memphis

Apparently for some odd reason my local library doesn't outright accept donations, however, here in MI one can make a request for a book.

And that is on my list of things to do.

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

jw
friends

http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Why thank you Nvr! I don't want to come across all jw-y to people.

I especially liked this:

It's Catholicism Reloaded.

I honestly thought the web page was pretty interesting. I had heard of Old Catholic before but didn't know what they believe. So I really hope people take the time to visit the websites.

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Fr. Price's Website and Parish

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

jw
friends

http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

hello, my name is fr.

joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis

http://www.exjwsupport.com/

Hello, my name is Fr. Joseph Price, I am a priest in the Old Catholic Church of North America, I grew up a JW, was heavily involved in the organization until I removed my self after 17 years. Faced with having to start life over, redefining myself, and relearning my faith as a Christian, I have long desired ministering to JW's and ex-JW's alike. Once I completed my studies and was ordained a priest, I am finally able to devote the time required to outreach and support of those associated with the JW's. I am actively available both online and in person for speaking on JW's, their beliefs, practices and teachings, talking to individuals about their experiences with the JW's, and currently run a support group that meets once a month for socialization and discussion about JW's and our lives that were effected by the organization.

Link from his site re Old Catholic Church of NA:

http://www.naoldcatholic.com/

The Old Catholic Church of NA is Not affiliated with The Church in Rome.

I'm not trying to be a beotch here, and I am not seeking to offend anyone, but there seems to be a large misconception of what Catholic Church he is affiliated with.

peace

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MORE Girl Fluff....the best investment you have ever made in clothing?

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to be more specific, something you have bought that has stood the test of time and fashion.. for me it was ralph lauren's classic navy wool jacket with his gold and red emblem on the pocket.

it cost a small fortune but for over 5 years i can throw that over a pair of jeans or a skirt and always feel like a million dollars.

i also have a jacket by dana buchman with a matching sweater that is gorgeous and never fails to make me feel good.. what was your best purchase?.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Those are great skirts! It reminds me of some of the ones I purchased (a now famous designer) back then whose name now escapes me. They were $50.00 a piece as I remember. (1974-1975) A huge amount of money, but they were so worth it! They were so much fun to wear.

Woe that is a lot of money for back then!

They are really fun to wear. I'm thinking I may actually purchase another one from their line tonight. They are so very comfy!!!

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MORE Girl Fluff....the best investment you have ever made in clothing?

by restrangled in

jw
friends

to be more specific, something you have bought that has stood the test of time and fashion.. for me it was ralph lauren's classic navy wool jacket with his gold and red emblem on the pocket.

it cost a small fortune but for over 5 years i can throw that over a pair of jeans or a skirt and always feel like a million dollars.

i also have a jacket by dana buchman with a matching sweater that is gorgeous and never fails to make me feel good.. what was your best purchase?.

BlackSwan of Memphis

Hmmm let's try this:

that didn't work either:

http://www.butterflymama.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

Go to womens clothing, click on skirts and mine is the Flower Patch Hippie Tiered Patchwork Skirt